

Dear Mr. Veliz:
Below is the summary of the results from the referenced job files. The percentages listed
for the “Sample” fiberglass panels are compared to the “Control” panel; the “Plywood
Laminate” and “Stainless Steel” panels did not have a “control” sample available for
comparison. For specific test specimen data and test conditions please refer to the
appropriate test report.
Report Number Test Specimen Thermal Conductance R Value Percent Increase
(NCTL-110-) (24” x 48”) C (Per Inch of Thickness) Over Original State
83733-01 Control – 3” Fiberglass and no coatings 0.52 1.92 CONTROL
8373-02 3” Control panel and .010 inch SuperTherm 0.31 3.23 68%
8373-03 3” Control panel and .010 inch SuperTherm on 2 sides 0.21 4.76 148%
Control panel painted on cold side and warm
sides
While these test do not show the actual insulating values we calculate, they are independent ASTM tests
on the spherical ceramics applied to glass insulation. They show a possible R value of 5 per inch.
This would mean that the unit of insulation cuts the required BTU’s into 1/5 what it was at R-1.
R-1 is usually accepted as no insulation at all. 3 inch thickness is minimum required for ASTM tests for
R value, hence it could not be avoided as a method to show the unique technical breakthrough that has
been achieved with the development of these non-traditional thermal insulation and heat barrier systems.
This test was done on a VERTICAL panel, not the large horizontal surfaces that allow test results of R2.9
for a quarter inch of polyethylene foam and some low emissivity aluminum coatings.
Since R values are normally quoted on a per ONE inch thickness basis, beware of misleading test values.
Note that the tests do not report the conductance of ‘air films’. There is a notation in all ASTM tests.
Air is kept moving through the enclosed testing box at 14 miles per hour and zero degrees Fahrenheit.
This is equal to a wind chill effect of minus 31 degrees Fahrenheit. The air is dry and 1 atmosphere.
The panel stays under 56oF .(66oF in 8373-03) and the warm side is 72 degrees. SuperTherm company
notes that the panel from VTEC has lower moisture and higher R value to begin with than should be
expected if purchased retail. It should be considered a special panel prepared to show the impact of the
coatings, unless it can be protected from any possible contact with moisture or humidity related
degradation. Technically, they say the test showed R 19.3 for a single side coating applied to the panel
warm side. That way is the ‘good way’ to do it. Lower values could be shown by coating the cold side.
Their comments also validate that the fiberglass panel was designed to reach it’s rated R value at 70
degrees Fahrenheit. However, this test was done with an average value in the insulation roughly half that.
In warmer climates, then, fiberglass insulation by itself would be expected to perform much better and
may not ever need any coatings. This was done solely to show test results, but here at thermcoat.com,
this is one of our technology transfer properties that has certified engineering data, at a cost of about
$10,000 per test. I’m sure not going to pay that kind of money for any such tests, but I will consult
if I must on the subject, although unless it is very important or life threatening situation, it is unlikely
that anyone would every pay my fee per hour anyway. If you compare talking to me at $200 per hour
about some railroad tank car heating project or commercial building, you see it pays to spend some time
at this web site reading and trying ‘what-if’ analysis on your own time. That time is well spent.
I will interview for job opportunities about $60,000 for expenses, and this is a ‘Merry Christmas’ gift
for the benefit of my expertise and education that I have shown in part on this web site.
If you are wondering about room temperatures and if radiation really exists, you can do this test at home:
Use a good radiometer, about $10, and put it in the freezer. When taken out it will spin like this one for at
least five minutes, due to the combination of temperature difference and ambient room thermal radiation.
Wait for the picture to see the radiometer spin at 1 BTU rate. This was in a dimly lit room
at night, in winter, room is 72 degrees and has been out of the -5 degree F freezer for two minutes.
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RADIOMETER EXPERIMENT RESULTS PAGE
Below you can find an example calculation for fiberglass batting that is 2 feet by 3 feet
by 3 inches thick. The R value is 1.6 with no moisture. This is not per inch but for the
full 3 inch thickness with no coatings at all.
|
|
Length
Of Pipe |
|
|
|
In
Meters |
Moisture % |
|
.30482m=1ft. |
0.6081 |
0 |
|
1.995078753325 |
OD PIPE |
ID PIPE |
|
Feet Length^ |
In
Meters |
Meters |
|
|
0.292 |
0.1395 |
|
Dia. Feet= |
0.958005255 |
0.457677168375 |
|
Dia. Inches= |
11.496063068 |
5.4921260205 |
|
|
Conducted= |
667.378249069310625 |
|
|
From Linear C |
0.0803793917541013216 |
|
|
|
Mechanical |
|
|
|
111.781015387717342 |
|
From BTU |
|
Conducted |
|
Conductivity |
|
Cal Max Heat |
|
55.620790 |
Btu/Hr/in./Ft Sq |
4.21329130979522551 |
|
16.296891 |
Watt/Hour/ |
cal/Sec |
|
|
in. Thickness |
or |
|
|
|
15.546278628452459 |
|
Thickness |
|
|
|
Path Inch |
Technical |
R value |
|
3.00196852375 |
R Value |
Effective |
|
Area Sq. Ft |
1.6180 |
0.017978888 |
|
6.004508184354 |
|
20 Deg C is |
|
|
|
A Standard |
|
1/R
* dTemp= |
55.6207 |
For per deg |
|
|
|
Deg F R-Value |
|
Q' linear Foot= |
83.6918 |
Of pipe |
|
61.822277174887086 |
|
. |
|
0.738689201006861429 |
|
|
|
Q"" P sq. Ft= |
27.7888 |
Of pipe |
|
8.54053784672761096 |
|
|
|
0.307336366860868054 |
|
|
|
Total R value |
0.03598559 |
With Air Film |
|
Effective Pipe R |
0.01799108 |
Per Area |
With the shown insulation there are 55.6 BTU’s coming from each panel.
IF these were only 1 inch thick then the R value calculates to 0.82945 and
there would be 108 BTU’s per panel of heat flux, roughly twice as much.
If the usual practice of multiplying the per inch R value by thickness were
a valid engineering method, this would mean that a 6 inch bat would have
an R value of 4.97 (6 times 0.82945)
BUT when we change the thickness to be .4443 meters we get an R value of
2.125. Of course the larger outer diameter means there is more square footage.
The square footage is now 9.136 at 6 inch thickness instead of 6 square feet.
When we computed the one inch thickness, likewise we had fewer square feet.
So, 9.136/6 = 1.522666
Now adjust SIX inch R value upward to compare to a THREE inch R value.
To adjust upwards for square feet, 1.5226*2.125 = 3.235 for a comparative R value.
This is approximately what tests showed for three inch thick batting but not
for 6 inch thick batting. This is exactly twice the computed R value based on
this spreadsheet for the 3 inch thick insulation. 2 times 1.618 = 3.236
There is only one fly in the ointment.
The test results as they are usually presented lead us to believe that we can
multiply that 3.2 value times three inches, and in fact we cannot.
The 3.2 value would be total for six inches, possibly we thermcoated them.
However, the close agreement with uncoated values for half the thickness is a little suspicious.
Just for fun, let us check by another method the one inch R value of fiberglass.
We said that by changing cell B23 to 0.1903 we got a one inch path but a 3.923
inch square footage area. Thus 3.923/6 square feet is 0.653833
Multiply to adjust downward the .82498 R value by .65383*.82498 = .5394
But this uses a two foot long pipe and we want to compare to a one foot pipe.
Changing cell B20 to 0.30482 ( 1 foot) and cell B23 to .582 and cell C23 to
ID .5309 meters we now have 6 square feet of one inch thick fiberglass.
The technical R value reads out as .5426
And averaging: .541 times 3 gives R-1.623
.541 times 6 gives R-3.246
The error is .0032 - less than six tenths of one percent error.
So, it looks like this spreadsheet is accurate 'on average' to less than one percent error.
And Fiberglass batting is R-0.54 when used in 6 square foot panels.
But R values are NEVER independent of surface area, so this is only valid for 6 sq. feet.
However Fiberglass is always 4.25 times less insulation than equally thick paraffin thermcoating.
So to explain how the government publishes and uses R values in building codes, you
have to realize they are talking in terms of one square foot only. When this situation
occurs, then the total R value is equal to the effective R value. Air is 2.11 total/effective.
This kind of metric does not always give good information, especially if air is included
in the tables, because air would then have an R value of 74 to 76. This R value would
never be measured in actual tests, because the square footage is too low. Likewise the
standard tests do not allow thin coatings to be rated this way because three inches is
about the minimum thickness that actual results match predicted results.
If this is true for thickness, then why does the government allow such a small square
footage of area for a standard R value to represent a material’s insulation ability?
Anyway, here is a summary of the results you will get if the pipe OD is set to .0971
meters while the pipe ID is set to .0462 meters, giving about 1 square foot of surface
and one foot of pipe at 36 degrees Fahrenheit difference in temperature and thickness
is one inch.
Table identifier number____________Tech R value____Total & effective R__ % of air
0 Air 76.0415 2.11 100
4 Ceramic 2.2997 .0638 3.0
5 A Spherical Ceramic 9.1800 .255 12.1
6 Fibers of Glass 3.2400 .0899 4.3
7 Wood Paper fiber 3.6237 .100 4.7
8 Extruded Styrofoam 4.7483 .132 6.2
9 Aerogel 8.6063 .2389 11.3
10 Paraffin Wax 13.7701 .382 18.1
Just remember that you CANNOT use the values above even though they are the traditionally
used values to compute load by temperature and thickness. This 'tradition' assumes each one
foot of pipe surface per degree difference in temperature has one inch thickness of insulation.
If this were true, a typical small room's roof would have about 500 inches insulation thickness.
Be careful! Don't trust software from sites that have too many government related references.